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After reading a post at new world liberty I wrote the following comment:

To be honest your scinero is quite a bit streched and truthfuly sounds quite paranoid.In reply to bot’s comment President Obama can not fix everthing and America needs to put the Lord God first not individual wants and desires.
America is in this condition because we have continnually worked at removing the Lord God from our society. Personal responsibility and a relationship with the Lord God would go a LONG WAY in correcting Americas problems.

Blessings,
AV1

Kieth replied to my comment:

i think the bot was making funny.

we need to get rid of the federal reserve, get back to the constitution, thoroughly reorganize to fight corruption and tyranny, and down size the federal government.

or else, the natural course will be that as described in this scenario.

if you look at the evidence around 9/11, you know it was an inside job and know the above scenario is quite possible, especially when you read the documents of the people employed and belonging to the organizations funded and founded by the international banking cartel and eugenics new world order in general.

and if you actually believed in the religion you promote, you’d realize the federal reserve is the beast and are approaching end times with the midpoint of the new age on December 25, 2012.

My Reply:

Hello Keith,
Gratis Bot may have tried to be funny… I wonder though our new President is an eloquent speaker many people believe him to be America’s savior; nothing could be further from the truth. Unfortunately, many fell in love with the package rather than checking, the content. That is why the comment regarding Bot.

I would agree that the function, usefulness, and practical application in a real world sense he is highly questionable. To be honest lately the fed has probably done more damage than good. I would also agree that we need to return to our constitution and seriously downsize the Federal government. The reality check of this is it is not a party problem. It is a problem of personal responsibility as a citizen of this great nation America.

As for 9/11, America was not prepared just as it was not prepared on December 7 1941. The attitude prior to 9/11 was it cannot happen here; prior to December 7, 1941 the attitude was the same. Both times, we paid dearly. Neither was an inside job simply a lack of preparedness for the world in which we live.

Regarding my faith, personally it is not religion that establishes my belief it is a relationship with the Lord God of scripture. He allows the existence of America. Turning our back on Him and removing Him society has much to do with our nation’s current situation. Personal responsibility and individual choice have resulted in our current situation. There is nowhere in scripture which indicates December 12 2012 as the end of time or mid point or that Federal Reserve is the beast. I do not know told you this but they are incorrect.

The only one who knows the answer to the question of the end of time is the Lord God Himself. Please feel free to contact me have my e-mail address as a close I share with you my life’s verse:

Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. Proverbs 3:5-6 KJV

Blessings,
AV1

Keith Responded:

Is the pastor lying? (Rod Parsley)

You need to do some research.

It is interesting to know the federal government also pays off churches to preach certain sermons to submit to the authority of government. Obama even wrote an executive order to continue this.

I replied:

Good Morning Keith, Happy

I hope this finds you well. Personally, never in a life of fifty-two years have I heard of our Government paying for the word of God to be preached to the public. Unfortunately, the video link you provided was not useable. That said, I have listened to Rod Parsley in the past and do agree with much of his commentary. The questions of who do we owe, what do we owe them, when is the payment due, where is the payment made to, why did we borrow in the first place, and how do we pay the debit off responsibly are all questions personally asked daily.

Payments to preach a particular sermon, submission to government … Preachers do not need to pay to share what the scriptures already say. In the book of Romans, the thirteenth chapter says the following:

Subjection to magistrates and other duties we owe them

Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. Romans 13:1-2 KJV.

Notes For Verse 1

a [every soul be subject unto the higher powers] Ten duties of citizens:

1. To be subject to civil government (Rom. 13:1; Tit. 3:1; 1Pet. 2:13-17).

2. To be afraid to disobey civil rulers (Rom. 13:3; Prov. 24:21).

3. To do good (Rom. 13:4; Tit. 3:1).

4. To pay taxes (Rom. 13:1-7; Mt. 22:17-21).

5. To render dues to all people (Rom. 13:7).

6. To honor civil rulers (Rom. 13:1-7; Ex. 22:28; Acts 23:5; 1Pet. 2:13-17).

7. To pray for civil rulers (1Tim. 2:1-2).

8. To obey civil laws (Rom. 13:1-7; Ezra 7:26).

9. To do not curse rulers (Eccl. 10:20).

10. To work for peace (Rom. 12:18).

b [higher powers] Greek: huperecho (GSN-<G5242>), supreme powers. Here; Php. 2:3; 3:8; 4:7; 1Pet. 2:13.

c [power]

Should authority of government come in conflict then scripture is correct path to follow.

Greek: exousia (GSN-<G1849>), delegated authority. All authorities are ordained (Greek: tasso (GSN-<G5021>), appointed or determined) of God. That is, in God’s plan He has determined that human governments shall exist to help Him carry on moral government and enforce moral laws. They are appointed by God, but He is not responsible for their acts. If they get out of line He will judge them, as He will gospel ministers.—Dake’s Study Notes

Seven Facts About Human Governments:

1. They were instituted by God (Gen. 9:1-7; Rom. 13:1-6; 1Pet. 2:13-17).

2. Their purpose was to execute criminals and enforce law and order among people (Rom. 13:1-6; 1Pet. 2:13-17; Gen. 9:6; Isa. 11:4-9; 65:20; Dan. 2:21; 4:17-25; 5:21).

3. It is the duty of Christians and others to help establish and support human government for the preservation of society and promotion of the highest good of man (Rom. 13:1; 1Pet. 2:13-17).

4. Governments were instituted to govern by force and to punish, not only local and individual criminals, but also universal and national criminals. This includes execution of war to put down criminal nations as well as criminal individuals (Rom. 13:1-5; 1Pet. 2:13-17; Dan. 2:21; 4:17-25; 5:21).

5. Christians are not to leave popular government up to the ungodly. To neglect good government is to neglect the salvation of souls. Promotion of public and private good is one of the greatest means of saving souls (Rom. 13:1-6; 1Tim. 1:8-10). Christians should vote and enter public life to promote good government so that the gospel will not be hindered and stamped out. Both reason and experience, as well as the Bible make this obligatory upon all. Since government is necessary for the best good of all, it is the duty of every Christian to help bring about the best government to secure this end.

6. Human governments, therefore, are not founded upon the arbitrary will of God, but upon the needs of humanity in securing their highest good. If in a small family, law and penalties are needed, how much more are they needed in communities, states, and nations. If government needs reforming, then let the Christians bring about such reforms. If they require nothing contrary to God, moral obligation, and the conscience, and if they meet the needs of those governed, they should be perpetuated (Rom. 13:1-6).

7. Upon the grounds of the best public interest, it becomes the duty of human governments to use all necessary means to attain this end. It is absurd to believe that rulers have the right to govern and not the right to use the necessary means to carry on good government. Such error or belief causes many Christians to object to the right of capital punishment, the right to deal with mobs, to suppress rebellions, and to make wars on criminal nations. When a person sells himself to destroy the best good of others, it becomes necessary to take him from the society he seeks to destroy. In such cases it becomes necessary to deal with individuals, and nations to enforce law and order for the best good of all. It must be both the right and the duty of government and all its subjects to use every necessary and possible means to suppress rebellion and enforce respect for law and order. Rulers are God’s ministers to execute God’s wrath upon the ungodly and preserve moral law and government for the good of all (Rom. 13:1-6; 1Pet. 2:13-17).

—Dake’s Study Notes

To be honest I admit there is no love for our current president in this home at the same time he is not hated nor do we wish him any harm. After reviewing the Whitehouse web page, the only executive orders, memoranda and proclamations found were as follows:

2/6/2009 Executive Order: Use of Project Labor Agreements for Federal Construction Projects

2/6/2009 Presidential Executive Order Establishing the President’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board

2/5/2009 Amendments to Executive Order 13199 and Establishment of the President’s Advisory Council for Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships

1/30/2009 Nondisplacement of Qualified Workers Under Service Contracts

1/30/2009 Executive Order — Economy in Government Contracting

1/30/2009 Executive Order — Notificiation of Employee Rights Under Federal Labor Laws

1/22/2009 Review of Detention Policy Options

1/22/2009 Closure Of Guantanamo Detention Facilities

1/22/2009 Ensuring Lawful Interrogations

1/21/2009 Presidential Records

1/21/2009 Ethics Commitments by Executive Branch Personnel


PRESIDENTIAL MEMORANDA

PRESS OFFICE

RSS

2/5/2009 Appliance Efficiency Standards

2/4/2009 Presidential Memorandum — State Children’s Health Insurance Program

1/30/2009 Memorandum for the Heads of Executive Departments and Agencies

1/27/2009 Unexpected Urgent Refugee and Migration Needs Related to Gaza

1/26/2009 The Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007

1/26/2009 California Request for Waiver Under the Clean Air Act

1/23/2009 Mexico City Policy and Assistance for Voluntary Population Planning

1/22/2009 Review of the Detention of Ali Saleh Kahlah

1/21/2009 Freedom of Information Act

1/21/2009 Pay Freeze

1/21/2009 Transparency and Open Government

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PROCLAMATIONS

–>2/2/2009 National African American History Month, 2009

1/20/2009 National Day of Renewal and Reconciliation, 2009

Please if you know of another source, it would be interesting to review. Keith the information is bountiful, so many have lost direction for on reason or another. You were correct yesterday returning to a constitutional government is paramount. In order to succeed we as a nation must remember the true foundation. Hope to hear from you soon.

Blessings,

AV1

Hi Keith,

To be honest I do not know the scriptures as well as I should. I have not ever had someone I paid to teach me the scriptures. There have been influential people in my life who have known this scripture’s better than I. I am not a religious scholar in any sense of the word, my relationship with the Lord God and my faith in the scriptures He provided for us is the foundation from which I work. Yes, there are scriptures Which address the deceptiveness of Satan and the evil we face each day. Here are some examples:

Evil & Good, Three Examples of God Seeing

Three Examples of God Seeing Evil:

1.     Adam and Eve (Genesis 3)

2.     Achan and his sin (Joshua 7)

3.     Belshazzar (Daniel 5)

Three Examples of God Seeing Good:

1.     Abraham (Genesis 22)

2.     Joseph (Genesis 39)

3.     Jesus Christ (Acts 10:38)

—Dake’s Topics

Evil, Five Reasons to Hate

Five Reasons to Hate Evil:

1.     Love for God (Psalm 97:10; Matthew 6:24)

2.     God’s preservation (Psalm 97:10; Romans 8:28)

3.     God’s deliverance (Psalm 97:10; Romans 1:16)

4.     Increased light (Psalm 97:11; 1 John 1:7)

5.     Increased joy (Psalm 97:11; Galatians 5:22-23)

Psalm 97:12

Three Admonitions:

1.     Hate evil (Psalm 97:10).

2.     Rejoice in the Lord (Psalm 97:12).

3.     Give thanks at the remembrance of His holiness

—Dake’s Topics

Example, Six Things in Which to be an

Six Things in Which to be an Example

1.     In word-teach sound doctrine; nothing but the Word of God that saves the soul (Romans 1:16; Romans 10:17; 2 Tim. 3:16; James 1:18; 1 Peter 1:23).

2.     In conversation. Greek: anastrophe (NT:391), the whole conduct of life in domestic and public relations; behavior. Always translated “conversation” (1 Tim. 4:12; Galatians 1:13; Ephes. 4:22; Hebrews 13:7; James 3:13; 1 Peter 1:15,18; 1 Peter 2:12; 1 Peter 3:1,2,16; 2 Peter 2:7; 2 Peter 3:11; cp. anastrepho (NT:390), note, 2 Cor. 1:12).

3.     In charity. Greek: agape (NT:26), love (see note, 1 Cor. 13:4).

4.     In Spirit. If this refers to the Holy Spirit it means in the use of spiritual gifts and in yieldedness to the Spirit in all of life and conduct (1 Cor. 12; Galatians 5:22-23). If it refers to the human spirit it means the manner and disposition in which all things are done.

5.     In faith. Greek: pistis (NT:4103), often used in the sense of faithfulness (see note, 2 Thes. 3:2; see Faith).

6.     In purity. Greek: hagneia (NT:47). Here and 1 Tim. 5:2.

—Dake’s Topics

Evil, Three Things about Speaking Psalm 34:13

Three Things about Speaking Evil:

1.     Commands against it (Exodus 22:28; Ephes. 4:25-31)

2.     Shortens life (Psalm 34:13; 1 Peter 3:9-10)

3.     Brings sure judgment (Psalm 12:3-4; Matthew 12:36-37; 1 Cor. 6:10)

—Dake’s Topics

These are just a few examples; faith in God, prayer, study of the scriptures will provide the answers you seek. I hope this helps with a place for you to begin. You question about a civil government… To be sure, civil, America must return to the foundation God provided our constitution, the problem we have turned our back on both. To understand the plan you must read the scriptures God’s intervention will come in His and in His way. There is always hope when you allow Jesus to be Lord of your life. At the point of no return?

Evil to Saints Permitted, Not Caused by God

Evil to Saints Permitted, Not Caused by God

Many happenings that befall God’s children occur through the sins of others, the rebellion of men against God, the conditions caused by reaping what is sowed, or by some demon power causing them to act contrary to the will of God.  That good men suffer at the hands of evil men is a well known fact.  That Satan causes many of God’s people to suffer is also well known.  God may or may not prevent certain disasters that befall His people.  His decision depends upon the time, place, and conditions of the times in which the people live.  Sometimes this is the only way God can work out His plan in certain individuals or classes of people.

Sometimes God has overruled the workings of evil men against His children so that they were not destroyed.  This was true of Joseph, Moses, David, Daniel, Paul, Peter, and others.  On the other hand, God has permitted certain ones to be destroyed.  This is true of Abel, Jehu, Stephen, James, and others.  The child of God must say with Paul if ever he is faced with like circumstances, “Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death.” It was necessary that Christ should die for the sins of the world.  Such was necessary in the working out of the divine plan.  In the war on saints as in the early church or in certain other periods of time, the cause of God was advanced much faster and the power of God was made more manifest by such war than if things had gone smoothly for the cause of God.  Jesus taught that “except a grain of wheat fall into the ground and die it abideth alone, but if it dies it bringeth forth much fruit” (John 12:24).  Again, “the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church” has been a true saying in many periods of history.

—Dake’s Topics

Blessings,

Dave

Written by americanvoice1

February 14, 2009 at 1:00 PM

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