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A Conversation with Mr. Salaam…

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This is a post in reply to Robert Salaam who’s post was read last week and against whom there are no negitive feelings. The reason for the post is the conversation was cut short by Mr. Salaam and the answer to his reply provides information this writer considers nessacary to the conversation.   

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

With respect who do you think the Creator is… The Creator is GOD. Currently people in America do have life, liberty and the persuit of happiness… so what is the problem.

Contrary to what you may think Scripture plays a large roll in our nation:

In 1892 the US Supreme Court made this ruling in a case. (Church of The Holy Trinity vs. The United States.) “No purpose of action against religion can be imputed to any legislation, state or national, because this is a religious people. This is a Christian nation.”

It is true God considers homosexuality as an abomination. So what is wrong with a Scriptural point of view. declaring what is wrong to be correct is a sign of the comming of the end of time.

Blessings,
AV1

2009 May 27

Robert Salaam

Peace and Blessings AV1,

Should I therefore infer from your referencing of Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, 143 U.S. 457 (1892), that you support the idea that as this is a “Christian Nation” legislation that is passed can be enforced or revoked based on the conformance to the Christian religion? Are you suggesting that the laws of the United States should be interpreted based within the Christian religious theological concepts? If so, then which Christian theology, Church, or Sect should we interpret from or use as a guide? The Mormon Church, The Catholic Church, Lutheran, Baptist, etc.

This is the problem with such legal inferences in which Justices of centuries past sought to interpret based on assumptions that are not clearly outlined in the Constitution. Not only does it give the Christian Right ammunition, but it also points out the mass hypocrisy of those who promote such interpretations of US Laws. If the founders wanted this nation to be a pseudo or defacto Christian theocracy, why did they go through the pains they did to ensure freedom of religion and separation of Church and State? Why even mention it? Why not pick a Church call it the Church of America and legislate around that specific cannon?

This specific legal opinion by the Supreme Court had nothing to do with whether or not this is a Christian nation, nor did it have anything to do with setting precedent on how we should interpret or pass laws. It was of the opinion of the Court of that era, that this is a Christian nation and as such should in essence ignore the immigration laws for Christian clergy who do business with Churches in America.

Even if this court got it right and those who support this legal opinion are right, you still have the problem of explaining the extent of the Churches influence on our laws and letting us know exactly what Church law we are supposed to hold as the supreme model.

Furthermore, you also embolden my case that to support this type of thinking only emboldens the hypocrisy of some Christians and sets a dangerous precedent that if allowed means that laws could be passed to deny the rights of any citizen who doesn’t adhere to “Christian” law or legal theory. Entire sects, religions, and ideologies could be banned because they don’t adhere to the standards of a “Christian Nation” and if this is a “Christian Nation” as you suggest, I once again ask what Bible are we reading?

To your commentary: “With respect who do you think the Creator is… The Creator is GOD. Currently people in America do have life, liberty and the persuit of happiness… so what is the problem.”

You completely misunderstood my commentary apparently. It doesn’t matter what you or I feel about God, religion, theology, etc. Our beliefs should not be legislated against and or over others beliefs. If that were allowed, we would have to redefine our Constitution and decide which religion has precedence. The entire end times rant, is a belief I do not hold, it’s typical of the sky is falling types. To me, it’s arrogant to attempt to know the mind of God as He has not informed man of when the world would end. My beliefs, which according to you can be legislated against, state that our focus should be on our lives now and leave the future to God’s Will Alone. If it were God’s Will that the world should end now, I would have to believe that the reason would not be from Gay marriage but could have something to do with the general state of this so-called Christian Nation. If one was to look at the 10 Commandments and then look at our “Christian Nation” one would not only see that we daily transgress these laws and do nothing about them, but that nowhere is it stated that thou shall not be gay and get married. I happen to think that God would punish us more for our treatment of the least of the people, you know the brethren of Jesus (as) than He would for our allowing Gay couples to have civil rights.

But heh, if a child dies tonight in America of starvation, that’s less important and less worthy of protest, than if a gay couple can file jointly on a tax return!

Robert,

A simple answer to your question is yes… America is a Christian nation. No America is not like Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Iran or China; the point is Christian principals are the foundational blocks that formed our nation. Please read the article “Is Obama Correct: Is America No Longer A Christian Nation”. As an American Citizen who spent twenty years protecting and defending our Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic there is a grave concern regarding the current path of our nation. The foundation of a Christian is not the denomination a person belongs to; the foundation is a personal relationship daily relationship with the Lord God and accepting Him as your Lord and savior. The “guide” America’s success is God’s word the Holy Bible

 Please explain assumption… how does one assume that which is written down for that is of course unless one has their own agenda. Freedom of speech is always an issue with many people. The “Bill of Rights” is clear it is the “Progressives” and those who are like them who have a problem with comprehension. “abridging the freedom of speech”. Freedom of speech is the right of a person to verbalize their point of view without condensing, diminishing, depriving or shortening the duration of their comment. There is no provision in this amendment of our Constitution that allows a person to speak in an uncivil manner. People have a right to voice their opinion; clearly, there is not allowance for slander or foul and disrespectful language towards another person.  Concerning the separation of church and state in 1802, Thomas Jefferson wrote a letter replying to the Danbury Baptist. In the letter he stated

“Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.” 

 Jefferson was concerned regarding a wall of separation between Man and God were people not provided the free exercise of their religion. Jefferson’s letter had nothing to do with the removal of God or the Holy Bible from the public square. With respect, it is not about a specific Cannon, Theology, Denomination, or any other labels one would choose to use. The Supreme Court referencing  Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, 143 U.S. 457 (1892) stated “No purpose of action against religion can be imputed to any legislation, state or national, because this is a religious people. This is a Christian nation.”. Please consider the following:

 “the original intent of our Founding Fathers was clear. This is and always should be a Christian nation because true Christian principles protect everyone’s rights, especially the right to disagree.

 In 1789, the United States Congress voted this resolution: “The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.” This was an accepted practice in schools at the time of our revolution.

Of the first 108 universities founded in America, 106 were distinctly Christian, including the first, Harvard University, chartered in 1636. In the original Harvard Student Handbook, rule number 1 was that students seeking entrance must know Latin and Greek so that they could study the Scriptures: “Let every student be plainly instructed and earnestly pressed to consider well, the main end of his life and studies, is, to know God and Jesus Christ, which is eternal life, John 17:3; and therefore to lay Jesus Christ as the only foundation for our children to follow the moral principles of the Ten Commandments.”

 From the article, “U.S. District Court judge chooses to leave God out of the Pledge of Allegiance”

 When all is said and done, in this world there is only one thing that will truly matter; And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. John 17:3 (KJV)  The Holy Bible was as true foundation in 1636 as it was in 1789, 1802, 1892, the foundational cornerstone. The Courts did get it right America is a Christian Nation. You ask about which church law to follow… the answer is it is not about Church law, the model is God’s law.

With respect your case is not emboldened by this writers comment as the intent is not hypocrisy as this writer believes in the God of Scripture, the Trinity, and that accepting Jesus as ones personal savior is the only way to the Father. The point is Christian principals are America’s foundation our Constitution clearly states, “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,”.  This writer has never implied or suggested the denial of a person’s faith or religion. However, we must not forget a civil society must maintain morals, standards and values. Please explain the problem with having established morals, standards and values in society. The model is God’s law from the Holy Bible.

How can you say, “It doesn’t matter what you or I feel about God, religion, theology, etc.  Our beliefs should not be legislated against and or over others beliefs.  If that were allowed, we would have to redefine our Constitution and decide which religion has precedence”? Once again, with respect it does matter. Additionally you say in your post, “I think it’s a miscarriage of Justice that the California Supreme Court upheld the ruling barring same-sex marriage outlined under the notorious Prop 8 legislation.” To that, I ask this question why you would promote a lifestyle that God considers an abomination.

Robert, you are the one who is missing the point… Judeo-Christian and democratic principals are the foundation and the Cornerstone America.  Any civil society or nation must have morals values and standards for the citizens of the society to follow. Each society and nation is as unique as God Chose to make it. There is only one Creator and that Creator is the Lord God.  PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE understand it is not about religion… God wants a personal relationship with each of us. A personal relationship with the Lord God, the right to worship God or not worship God is the foundational principal of America.

Contraire, the end times are coming it is not a rant to be clear you are correct. Even Jesus Christ the Son of God does not know the time of his return. The intended meaning of the comment was that scripture explains that we are to recognize the wretchedness of those who would call that that is evil good and good evil, and we are to recognize God and His Gospel and His wrath.  At no time was there a mention of legislating against a person’s faith that is unconstitutional. The Constitution provides you the right to follow God as one chooses or not. God’s will is the same as it was yesterday, today, and it will be tomorrow. The time frame is His alone … Homosexual Marriage is an abomination in the Christian Faith and am sure homosexuality is not acceptable in the Muslim Faith. You speak of the Ten Commandments; you are correct there has been much transgression. The Commandments provided by God established acceptable standards for the Hebrew nation to follow. The reality check here is to break one Commandment is to break them all we are all sinners, you see it is not “the”, or “which”, sin but sin itself that God does not allow in His presence. A person cannot work their way to Salvation; it is by God’s Grace that we are saved through Faith and not of one’s self but Salvation is a gift of God.     

Transgression for man is daily because we are born of a sinful nature God knows this that is why He sent Jesus that all would not perish. To be sure, each of us will be accountable for our actions; the choice is a personal one to choose Jesus… or to have eternal separation from God in ones future. Homosexuality, people going hungry, not following God as we should these and many more are all transgressions and show the sinful nature of man. No, it is not right that in a nation as powerful as America that a child should go hungry. You would have to ask our President why it is more important to bail out corporations than to feed hungry children. In the process ask the President when it was decided that Civil Rights laws became paramount to the laws of God.   

 Blessings,

AV1

Mr. Salaam’s entire post in regard to Proposition eight  is available HERE

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Say What… Minority Report in America

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Odd how life is quiclky becomming stranger than fiction. In the Fox News report “Sotomayor’s Gun Control Positions Could Prompt Conservative Backlash” the following information is provided:

“Earlier this year, President Obama’s Supreme Court nominee joined an opinion with the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals ruling that Second Amendment rights do not apply to the states. A 2004 opinion she joined also cited as precedent that “the right to possess a gun is clearly not a fundamental right.” 

Wrong , Wrong , Wrong 

Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Recommended reading for Justice Sotomayor can be found at the United States Government Archives . As a point of intrest the Bill of Rights to our nations Constitution has been around since 4 March 1789.

United We Stand and Divided We Fall The Choice Is Ours To Make

Belssings,

AV1

Obama Team Throws Panthers a Pass

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As an American  the article on fox news is of concern.

 

 

What do you think?

Blessings,

AV1

Where We Are … Or?

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As the person who writes this blog, new words have been had to put to paper lately. Those of you who have visited here know there are two blogs this one and americanvoice2 . The original intent was to discuss only the foundation of America as related to our Constitution and then the election of our new president came along. There is no ham wished on anyone in any way. The reality is America is in trouble. America was established as a constitutional republic with a strong Judeo Christian heritage.

 

Having a Judeo Christian Heritage is not a bad thing as some would have you to believe. It is a good thing. Go to any other nation in the world and you will find a standard… foundation of each nation Americas is Judeo Christian. The beauty is that all are welcome in America. The problem is many do not follow the rules. Rather than follow they create the rules as needed to meet the desire. The Supreme Court of the United State in 1892 stated the following:

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“subject, is granted and secured; but to revile, with malicious and blasphemous contempt, the religion professed by almost the whole community is an abuse of that right. Nor are we bound by any expressions in the Constitution, as some have strangely supposed, either not to punish at all, or to punish indiscriminately the like attacks upon the religion of Mahomet or of the Grand Lama, and for this plain reason, that the case assumes that we are a Christian people, and the morality of the country is deeply engrafted upon Christianity, and not upon the doctrines or worship of those impostors.”

We as a nation have come a long way in two hundred plus years it is a shame we are destroying ourselves in the process. This is accomplished two main areas. First, as a nation we have walked away from our Judeo Christian heritage. Second, as a nation we fail to follow the simplicity of our foundational documents. Take a minuet and think for yourself it is because of our Judeo Christian heritage and our foundational documents that America is a free nation, it is not the other way around as some would like you to believe.

 

Did you know our Constitution in the Bill of Rights provides for freedom of religion and the free exercise there of . Did you know that the tenth amendment of our constitution limits the power of the Executive, Judicial, and Legislative branches of Government?  Here is what our new President thinks:

United we stand and divided we fall the choice is yours to make.

Blessings,

AV1

 

Written by americanvoice1

February 27, 2009 at 11:04 AM

Wake Up America

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Wake up America, Obama it is not the man for the job. That is right; he is not the man for the job. Why is he not the right man for the job you may ask? Use your common sense and the brain that good Lord has given you. Please consider the following:

In the article by Phil Brennan published October 27,2008 at www.newsmax.com. Senator Obama is quoted as saying if the Constitution of the United States of America “didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as its been interpreted and [the] Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties.” Senator Obama then continues the constitution “Says what the states can’t do to you, says what the Federal government can’t do to you, but doesn’t say what the Federal government or State government must do on your behalf.”

Hold it, just hold it the Warren court agreed there was a disparity between black people and white people in that we are all American citizens and should have equal treatment. The Warren court did not say our constitution or our government is responsible for each thing that happens if a person’s life. To clarify when government becomes responsible for everything in a person’s life that is socialism. When government treats everybody the same and all are equal you have a socialist society. The Warren court set out to correct a wrong and they did so. Senator Obama’s or for that matter anyone does not have the right change our Constitution because it does not fit their personal plan.

Our Constitution and our form of government with all those checks and balances have plenty of flexibility to meet the demands of the 21st century. The constraints placed by our founding fathers are there because of the knowledge related to the monarchy and socialist system of England in the seventeen hundreds. It is true our constitution says what the states cannot do to you. This is a good thing considering that under socialism “spreading the wealth” the State and Federal government will be telling you exactly what you can and cannot do in the United States of America. It is also true that the Federal and State government is limited as to what they may do on your behalf. Why, the answer is simple it is so that you have the freedom to decide what you choose to do with your faith, family, finances and whatever else effects your personal life.

So you think socialism is better. What is democratic socialism like? Take a look at England one of the best examples. Want to watch TV that will cost you $150.00 just to have the television in your house. Watering your lawn costs you money a mere $25.00 per sprinkler. In addition, of course this is America so everyone has an automobile that will be $300.00 per vehicle per year. Then there was the screen tax, you know the screens on the window in your home, approximately $20.00 per window. Moreover, let us not forget the value added tax of 17% on everything purchased or consumed by you the individual. However, gut feeling says they have not gone down. One last thought on this all of these taxes are in addition to your normal cost example: your home cost $100,000.00 the value added tax would be 17% which is $17,000.00 then you would have a commission to the real estate agent 6% which is $6,000.00. Let us see that $100,000.00 + $17,000.00 + 6000.00 = $123,000.00 and you have not talked with the bank about a loan yet. Now these are just a few of the taxes remembered from living in England from 1989 until 1992. One cannot be sure of the current rates or taxes in 2008.

Do not let the package fool you socialism is expensive dear reader. It is the belief of this writer that Senator Obama goal is for America to become a socialist government where the individual control of the American citizen is severely weakened or removed.

United we stand and divided we fall The choice is yours to make…

Blessings,

AV1

Written by americanvoice1

February 18, 2009 at 1:39 PM

One Vote

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United we stand and divided we fall… the choice is tours to make in 13 days

Blessings

AV1

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October 23, 2008 at 10:21 PM

CONSIDERING THE CONCEQUENCES

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It has been awhile since the last post. With this very important election of the next president of the United States, many questions have come to the top of the pile that require an answer. American voice 1 here at word press when started the intention was to dedicate this blog to examining the Constitution of the United States of America. Moreover, Lord willing it will remain as such.

With the presidential election less than a month away, you should be asking yourself what you believe about our Constitution. Do those in power use our constitution as a fluid document that changes without proper authority through political means to attain a goal? Alternatively, is our constitution the document, which states how our government runs and establishes the limits of authority of our elected officials?

If you believe the first question is correct then you are probably a person who fails to understand that freedom is not free. Additionally probably think freedom a free for all as you go through life. If you believe, the second question is correct you are probably a person who sees the multitude of problems that exist in America; brought on by a lack of responsibility, self-control, and in good dose of immediate gratification. Additionally, you were wondering what happened to the world in which we live.

It is the belief of this writer that if you wish to see the continued downfall of America and the collapse of a moral society. Then you should vote for the illusion of success. If you wish to see America becomes strong and the beginning of rebuilding our American foundation; time has come take the responsibility for the mistakes we have made, pull ourselves up by our bootstraps and understand that freedom is not free.

This is not an issue of color, of party, of religion, of faith, of family; rather it is an issue of truth, justice, and the survival of our nation as the Lord God intended America.

United we stand and divided we fall… the choice is yours to make

Blessings

AV1

Written by americanvoice1

October 13, 2008 at 11:35 PM